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Topic: Reggie Bush vs Jahvid Best
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Post Date: 09/14/11 17:06
Had a fun debate w/ TBH in the chat room about these two and wanted to get some other opinions.

To me, these two are extremely similar players. 

Both are similar sized w/ Jahvid at 5'10 199lbs and Reggie at 6' 203 and have similar speed at 4.35 and 4.33 respectively at the combine.

Neither is great at running up the middle and likely won't put up great yards per carry numbers.  Bush owns a career 4.0ypc total and Best a 3.3.  First game this year they were at 3.5(bush) and 3.4(best).

Both are better receivers out of the back field than runners.  Bush has 5 rec/game for his career and Best right about 4/game.  They are both are big plays waiting to happen with their speed and shiftiness. 

Both have injury histories and IMO can't handle the load as full time RBs.  I don't think either finishes the season w/ more than 250 total touches.

The biggest difference?  6 rounds or so of draft position.  I like Best a lot and hope he proves he's able to handle 250 or more touches, but I just don't see it happening.

So, discussion time... What are your thoughts on these two guys?
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Post Date: 09/14/11 17:21
Very similar but Best has lightning speed while Bush is a little older and not as fast as he used to be.
 
Best has a great matchup this week.
 
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Post Date: 09/14/11 17:36
I would have to prefer Best to Bush, and not just because I have Best on my team.
In head to head physically, I can see the resemblance.  But in my opinion, the supporting cast helps boost Best above Bush.  I don't think six rounds above, but still.  Stafford, Johnson, Burleson, and Pettigrew are all much better than their counterparts on the Dolphins.
Again, this is just my 2 cents.
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Post Date: 09/14/11 17:42
agreed, the offensive pieces around best are better, but some of that is offset by a much worse o-line.  i'm just somewhat suprised at all the excitement for best preseason when he really is quite similar to a bush/sproles type.

yeah james, i'm not sure of Bush's current speed, but he was faster out of college in the 40 at least.
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Post Date: 09/14/11 17:44
And the Lions themselves obviously had concerns giving Best full a full time load when they traded up to get Leshoure to compliment him despite having pretty glaring needs at o-line and their secondary
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Post Date: 09/14/11 18:33
Charles that is true in the case of Best, but that was also the case for Bush in New Orleans and he never really put together a truly outstanding season. His first 2 years in NO were perhaps his best but he had been on the decline since. He has also been very injury prone season after season, which is a hard knock to shake.

Hard to saw what Best will achieve. His first year wasn't all that spectacular, started off with 4 TDs in 2 games and then didn't do much the rest of the season as he battled turf toe all year. I do believe, based on his rookie numbers he could be a back that carries the ball 225-250 times and catches 70 balls a year when healthy.
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Post Date: 09/14/11 19:03
I think Best could be more a center piece of a offense where Bush is more of a compliment/build plays for and a special teamer. I don't even think its close, best is more explosive, younger and just as injury prone.
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Post Date: 09/14/11 19:10
But what makes you believe he can be a center piece where Bush can't?  He's proved nothing more than Bush after his first season.  Everyone thought similar things of Bush when he came in.  I don't thinkg the Lions trade up to get Leshoure as a compliment if they believed that Best was a focal point.
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Post Date: 09/15/11 18:42
I think you look at speed and size, and not overall talent or lack of. I think Bush is more the darrien sproles type, but not as good. A special teams player, maybe a third down back type. Neither is consider a goal line back. Bush is one few backs that had more fumbles then TD in a season, never rushed for 1000 yards in season, actually never ran for 600 yards in a season. In 5 years he averages 100 rush attemps a year, and had only 1 100 yard rushing game, in 5 years as a pro. In his 6th season he is now teh featured back, and touched the ball 11 rushing attemps AWESOME.
Javid Best is still young and has upside I dont think Bush can match. I believe Best will touch the ball 200-230 times this year, and wind up at 900-1050 yards rushing. One thing for sure, his stats from the line will beat, if not double Reggie bush's.
Why did they move up to get Leshoure if Best was the focal point you ask? This league is about tandems running backs, two guys that can bring different styles and increase the plays they can run and not be limited in play calling and execution. Vikes mover up to get Toby Gerhert, why cause AP isnt good anymore? Jax two years ago drafted R Jennings when MJD was a top 5 back, why? Mjd was still fetured back. Jamal Charles was in KC when they drafted McCluster and Signed T jones, they didnt think Charles could be a focal point...Houston Drafted Steve slaton, ben tate, signed Derrick ward but the guy they didnt draft "Foster" became the starter. Did they sign a undrafted rookie cause the other Three were unable to be focal points? People Draft RB because most teams use Tandem of backs, and very few can be a work horse like they were 20 years ago. Tandem back also offer different style and Off Coaching to call a larger array of play calls, its about how many weapons you can put on a field... not the thought that a  guy can't carry a load. If your a GM and you think a guy can't carry the load I hope you let them go and Draft correctly. Just me.
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Post Date: 09/15/11 19:15
Best never reached 200 carries in college, I'm not sure he'll be able to do it in the NFL.  And his injuries started in college where Reggie's didn't start until he got to the NFL.  His first NFL season was derailed by turf toe, and he started the preseason with a concussion, which is his biggest concern after a major concussion in college. 

Best hasn't had a 100 yard game yet.  He had fewer total yards and fewer TDs than Bush did his rookie season.  He doesn't have the college pedigree of Bush.  Bush scored only 4 fewer TDs despite playing 1 year less and Reggie actually had about 400 total yards more.  Part of that is explained by team quality but Best had a full year more to rack up stats.

I really like Best and I hope he pans, out but I just see too many similarities to Bush.  In fact, coming out Bush probably had higher upside, it's just that we already know how that story goes.  We'll see if Best can forge a new plot.  But if your comment about talent or lack of is implying Bush isn't talented, he was much more successful than Best this far through his college/NFL career.  Bush was/is immensely talented.  Just ask opposing defensive players that mostly agree he is one of the most dangerous players on the field.  He's just not suited to be a feature back...much like Best in my opinion
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