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Topic: Raiders Acquire Carson Palmer: It's the Right Move
 Russ Bliss_108
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Post Date: 10/18/11 11:07
What do you know? An actual deal that makes sense and could be a win/win for both sides.
 
Rare are the times when there are any impactful trades made before the NFL trade deadline, but this year has a big exception. The Oakland Raiders acquired QB Carson Palmer from the Cincinnati Bengals in exchange for a 1st round pick in 2012 and either a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2013 depending on whether Oakland wins a playoff game.
 
I mentioned yesterday in a thread here on our fantasy football forums about the Oakland Raiders QB situation that I thought the Raiders would be smart to go get Palmer from Cincinnati. Oakland is a surprising 4-2 on the season so far and with Jason Campbell going down indefinitely with a broken collarbone this past Sunday, they were in desperate straits. Their offense was working. The running game has been outstanding. The offensive line much better than anticipated. Their WR's have started to play up to their talent levels. Their defense has been pretty good. They are actually competing to be a playoff team this season, and maybe even become a consistent contender for the next few years in the AFC West.
 
The missing ingredient? A quarterback who could lead them.
 
The Raiders have had some success with guys like Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski the last 2 seasons, but both proved to be mediocre and inconsistent. It's been kind of hard to take the Raiders seriously as a real potential contender without a reliable high upside QB. The acquisition of Palmer changes that dramatically.
 
Palmer is still young enough. He's only 31 years old and that's usually considered to still be in the middle-to-end of the prime of a career or the position. Many QB's can play at a high level into their mid 30's. While many think poorly of Palmer for his recent seasons, but he still threw for a combined 7,064 yards and sported a 47-33 TD-INT ratio in the last 2 seasons combined. Many, myself included, pointed to the elbow injury he suffered in 2008 as having sucked some of the arm strength he had in seasons prior to then. We also pointed out that he seemed to be less accurate after the injury. But I now wonder if some of the blame needs to be assigned to the weapons he had to throw to in 2009 and 2010.
 
We've seen that Chad Ochocinco's abilities have declined enormously over the last 2 seasons. Terrell Owens was good in 2010 but clearly not the same dominating WR he had been earlier in his career. We've seen this season that rookie WR A.J. Green has proven to be a far superior talent to any of the other WR's the Bengals have (all of whom were there with Palmer in 2010) on their roster. Could it be that part of the reason Palmer wasn't a very good QB in 2009 and 2010 was because of the weapons he was throwing to?
 
And here's another nugget to ponder. The last time I wrote off a veteran QB as being damaged goods and no longer capable of playing at near the level he did earlier in his career was Kurt Warner when he went to the Arizona Cardinals. Warner had been an elite NFL and fantasy QB with the Rams for a few years before a hand injury seemed to rob him of his trademark accuracy and made his long passes flutter. But he proved me and many other detractors wrong. Maybe it was the time off from being a starter. Maybe it just took the injury a couple of years to completely heal up to where it had been before it happened. Maybe he just needed a new beginning with a different team. Whatever the reason, Warner ascended from the scrap heap to the penthouse rapidly in Arizona.
 
Could the same thing happen with Palmer? He's easily the most physically talented QB the Raiders have had in recent memory. The team he inherits is proving to be of high enough quality to contend despite having mediocre QB's. Is it so out of the realm of possibility that Palmer could be the missing piece to the Raiders chances of serious contention? I don't think so. I'm not saying he's going to be the savior for them. But he gives them the best chance for success over any other option they could have acquired or had already on their roster. And he's young enough to give them that better chance not just this season, but for another 3-5 seasons beyond.
 
Was it a LOT for Oakland to give up? Yes. Is it a high risk move? Yes. Could it be a move that proves to be bad for Oakland? Yes. But could it be the move that pays off huge for them. Again, YES.
 
How often do we see that taking chances and being aggressive as opposed to being passive serves us well in our fantasy football leagues? And really, since I have no vested interest in the Raiders as a fan (I am ambivalent to them now after disliking them a lot back in the 1970's), my biggest interest is in how this will affect all of the Raiders on my fantasy teams. And I now have higher hopes for them than I had even before Jason Campbell got injured.
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Post Date: 10/18/11 11:13
Nice write up Russ.
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Post Date: 10/18/11 12:03
How will this affect Oakland's running game? More defenses respecting the pass..
I'm being offered DMC for Best and Bowe. Really want to do it.
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 Russ Bliss_108
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Post Date: 10/20/11 11:05
Chris, that's good question to post in the trade forum. But if you could get McFadden for Best and Bowe I'd say do it as the concussion history for Best is something to be concerned about going forward.
 
But back to Palmer and the Raiders, another reason I liked the deal is that it is the "swing for the fences" type of move I like in fantasy football, only in this case applied to the real NFL game. Palmer for what the Raiders gave up is definitely in that vein.
 
Playing it conservatively makes you kind of like the fantasy equivalent of Chuck Knox; many playoff appearances with a strong team, but no Championships. Sorry to pick on Knox as he was always one of my favorite Rams' coaches.
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Post Date: 10/20/11 14:27
Hi Russ,
I've never been a fan of owning a Raider WR in my FF leagues. This has been a direct response to the average or poor QB play in recent years.
 
In my 12 Team league I have the opportunity to add either Moore or Ford. I would be dropping either Jacoby Jones, Meachem, or David Nelson.
 
I realize it will take Palmer a while to get into the swing of things. However, I'm looking ahead to weeks 14-16 and who will have the most value. Obviously Jacoby will have minimal value when Johnson returns, but is an asset for the next couple of weeks.
 
My two starters are Bowe and Wayne. It's a 12 team league so my other positions are not deep enough to drop/add a WR.
Thanks,
 
Steve
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