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Topic: Saints Bounty Program
 Russ Bliss_108
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Post Date: 03/02/12 16:57
News about the New Orleans Saints and their 2009-2011 "bounty" program for defensive players is sickening. At a time when both the league is trying to cut down on injuries, to hear about the payment for opponents injuries program that apparently was widely ignored by the coaching staff in New Orleans causes me to consider the often hypocritical nature of human beings.
 
Players complain that it's the NFL's fault for their injuries and that the league should be held responsible for not doing more to protect them. But it's the PLAYERS who hit each other. It's the PLAYERS who cause the injuries. In the case of the Saints, it was the PLAYERS (and possibly coaches) who put money into a pool for particularly debilitating hits to opposing players.
 
Now that my initial reaction has been expressed, let me elaborate on some of the secondary thoughts.
 
This is hardly something that was unexpected. We've heard of "bounty" programs within teams for years. Buddy Ryan used to regularly be accused of running them. And to think it's a problem that is regulated to only one team is probably ignorant. Much like the Bill Belichick "Spy-Gate" scandal from several years ago, we are only hearing about the team that has been caught. To think other teams weren't doing the same thing then, or to think other teams don't have any type of "bounty" program now is to be blind.
 
That doesn't absolve those involved from responsibility though as the argument "others are doing it" is one of the weakest and dumbest excuses humans have used for some 20,000 years.
 
What also really disappoints is that former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams admits to knowing and taking part in it. How a coach can knowingly be involved when someday he may have the chance to coach the very players he currently is putting a bounty on is baffling. It's also baffling with the contention that head coach Sean Payton also knew of what was going on and did nothing.
 
Much like the Jerry Sandusky scandal tarnished my opinion of Joe Paterno; this situation has tarnished my opinion of Payton and Williams.
 
It also calls into question the integrity of other players; players on the offensive side of the ball. How can 22-27 players on the defensive side of the ball (nearly half the team) be doing it and NOBODY on the offense knows what's going on? I know the two sides probably aren't really close, but none of them had an idea what was happening? That's just hard to believe.
 
Now, to be fair, not all of the "pay for performance" stuff was about injuring opponents. Some of it was for creating turnovers, and that I have little problem with. That's part of what they are supposed to do and friendly wagering between defenders to be the guy who makes an interception or recovers a fumble seems no more hurtful than a free throw shooting contest between basketball players. But since much of the focus was on creating injuries, with bonus payouts for the severity of an injury caused, it is there I have a problem.
 
At this point, the news is fresh, and surely more details are to follow, along with likely NFL imposed punishments for players, coaches, and the organization. As we learn more, and who was involved, and to what extent, maybe I'll be a little more sympathetic. But the initial reaction of disgust still lingers strong within me.
 
I love the NFL. I love the game and have a high amount of respect for the athletic prowess the players must have to play it. But to think they reduce it to thuggery against other men who also play it sickens me.
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 Throwball Heroes_118522
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Post Date: 03/02/12 18:26
Sad and sick, but why is something of this nature not surprising? To me, it isn't, as you mentioned Russ, I do recall hearing some of the BUddy Ryan incidents in past years. I do agree I think it IS more widespread, but we only hear about those teams who get caught. It's no wonder my interest in the NFL doesn't go much past fantasy football these days. It seems that being a professional in your field (sports), you don't have to be smart or use common sense. Sorry Saints, major fail for your franchise, fans and the NFL.
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Post Date: 03/03/12 16:32
It is no surprise to anyone that these bounty's existed, however, once you see a coach involved, in this day and age of protecting players- thats what is going to make Rodger Daddy come down hard. Now, Brees needs to say I am out of here!
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Post Date: 03/07/12 19:58
Yeah, I'm going to knock this guy out of the game and get me $1500 bucks, of course if the league deemed it an illegal hit they will fine me $20,000 and a supension without pay for 3 games. I know it is the offseason but unless we think all defensive players are stupid, this is nothing more than a team's backdoor incentive to get the players to play hard. There's always a few that will carry it to the extreme but that would be with or without incentive. I think this is much ado about very little!
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Post Date: 03/10/12 14:02
Yeah much ado about nothing until the details come out. There are incentives to play for, I agree. But to cause injury to opposing players just to gain a bonus? I just can't agree with that. Isn't the millions most of these players making incentive enough to go out, bust your butt and win?
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