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Topic: Training Camp QB Battles 2012
 Russ Bliss_108
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Post Date: 07/25/12 13:26
Matt Hasselbeck vs. Jake Locker, Tennessee Titans
 
Despite reports that this will be an open competition, it would take a major flop by Hasselbeck, or an exceptional performance by Locker, for this to end any way other than Hasselbeck starting the season. The question really is "how long until the Titans turn things over to Locker once the season has begun?" Tennessee faces the Patriots, Chargers, Lions, and Texans the first 4 games and if Hasselbeck can lead them to at least 2 wins there, it will be difficult for them to remove him as the starting QB. But if Hasselbeck hasn't produced at least 2 wins in those first 4 games, I think it likely they will turn to Locker after that. It also needs to be noted that Hasselbeck will turn 37 in September and his ability to stay healthy is in question. It really is just a matter of "when" and "why" Locker takes over rather than "if". There is some fantasy upside with both so if you select one in your fantasy drafts, you really should spend the extra pick to snag the other as insurance.  
 
Kevin Kolb vs. John Skelton, Arizona Cardinals
 
Another situation being called an open competition, but in reality would take a flop by Kolb, or an exceptional performance by Skelton for Kolb not to start the season. The difference between the Cardinals battle and the Titans is that Skelton isn't competing with an aging veteran near the end of his career. Kolb is still young, and despite the difference in win/loss records between Kolb (3-6) and Skelton (5-2) when making the start last year, it needs to be noted that early in the season, when Kolb was piling up losses, he had the Cardinals with leads in the 4th quarter, only to see the defense give it up by the end of the game. Conversely, about the time Skelton took over after Kolb got injured, the defense turned things around and played much better the second half of the year. Skelton could win this job with an outstanding training camp, but I really expect Kolb will win it and be the starter week 1. Kolb will have a precarious hold on the job though and a really short leash so like with Tennessee, because of the fantasy upside of both, if you take one, you should also grab the other.
 
Matt Moore vs. David Garrard vs. Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins
 
Now here's a real open competition. Moore posted a 16-9 TD-interception ratio in 13 games last year but his 197.3 passing yards per game average was pedestrian. The Dolphins new regime brought in some competition in David Garrard and he has reportedly looked very good in OTA's. While I expect Moore will win the job, it will be played out in the preseason. The Dolphins have said that ideally they want Tannehill to spend his rookie season on the sidelines learning from the veterans. There's a good chance that both Moore and Garrard will make starts in 2012, and Tannehill could conceivably as well if both prove mediocre. With an underwhelming WR corps that is led by Brian Hartline and Davone Bess, it's tough to think there is much upside for any Miami QB and I'd stay away in fantasy drafts.
 
Matt Flynn vs. Tarvaris Jackson vs. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks
 
It's hard to believe the Seahawks gave Flynn $10 million in guaranteed money to have him sit behind the consistently mediocre Jackson. Flynn has looked great as a backup in Green Bay the last couple of seasons when given playing time, but it's widely speculated that he was more a product of their system and weapons more so than a big time future NFL star. Pete Carroll marches to the beat of a different drum though and anything is possible and will have to be decided in the preseason. Much to that point, rookie Wilson reportedly has been so impressive in OTA's that his name has been mentioned as a serious contender for the starting QB job. While successful in college and athletically gifted with good QB mechanics, Wilson is undersized at barely 5'11" and he would have to be deemed a long shot to win the starting position. Flynn represents the best chance for fantasy success and would be the only QB from Seattle I would consider. But given the uncertainty, it would take a leap of faith to take him in a fantasy draft.
 
Brandon Weeden vs. Colt McCoy, Cleveland Browns
 
This is more a QB competition in name only. Rookie Weeden is fully expected to start the season barring a preseason meltdown. There's talk that McCoy could be traded before the regular season starts. McCoy might have stood a chance if not for his family speaking out publicly criticizing the Browns for their handling of McCoy's concussion in 2011. That pretty much sealed his fate in Cleveland as his play on the field wasn't good enough for the organization to ignore it. Weeden has skills and maturity for a rookie (he'll be 29 in October) but should struggle like most rookies do. It doesn't help that while there is some talent at WR and TE, it's young talent that hasn't blossomed yet. The veterans at those two positions are just mediocre. That combo is likely to hinder any upside Weeden may have. He's a likely mediocre fantasy backup in larger re-draft leagues and a flier with potential in dynasty leagues.
 
Mark Sanchez vs. Tim Tebow, New York Jets
 
The competition isn't open as Sanchez is entrenched as the "starting" QB, but the Jets are going to have specific Tebow packages and with Tebow's immense popularity, if Sanchez struggles at all, this will turn into an open competition quick. Given that it's likely the Jets will use Tebow at the goal line for many of his special packages, it severely limits what fantasy potential Sanchez has making him practically undraftable. Meanwhile Tebow has a chance to be just as effective, if not more so, in the beginning of the season, with the upside to take the starting job from Sanchez during it. Tebow isn't a pretty NFL QB, but when he's a starter, he makes a good fantasy QB. While this is a mess of a situation I wouldn't touch myself, those who like to gamble, and who select a great starting fantasy QB with a late bye week, drafting Tebow could be something that pays off as either a backup fantasy QB, or trade bait.
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Post Date: 07/25/12 13:53
Very Good stuff Russ. and I agree with all of it except I think Locker will be in sooner than later.

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Post Date: 07/25/12 15:39
I also think Seattle was silly to shell out $10 million if they did not intend on making Flynn a starter. Then again, it's $10 million based on one big game last year if you ask me. I think he is way over paid, but it's Pete Carroll, who knows what will happen to the Hawks.



Sanchez should be the starter, while not completely impressed with him, he has progressed the past few years, even if Rex Ryan continues to pimp the rushing attack. He;s got some good WRs and a nice TE. I don't see Tebow as an NFL QB. Sure he got lucky, made some plays and put together some wins last year for DEN, but he isn't the answer. Unless he can step up his passing game, a rushing QB won't make it in the NFL, let alone New York. I do like the idea of turning him into a RB, but please, no wildcat.
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 Robert The IDP Guru_9600
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Post Date: 07/25/12 17:18
They have Tebow on the punt return team! LOL! The guy is a great athlete, but a below average QB.

I see Flynn as the starter in Seattle. Jackson to me is not even in the equation, but I really think they WANT Russell Wilson to be the starter if not this year, then next.
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Post Date: 07/25/12 17:33
I like Flynn and Sanchez to win their competitions as well
 James The Mod_4852
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Post Date: 07/25/12 17:55
I really think Matt Moore is a starting QB in this league but even if he starts he will be on a short leash.

Hasselbeck should be the back-up but will probably start again but get pulled early in the season.


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Post Date: 07/28/12 18:03
Thanks for the recap.
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Post Date: 07/29/12 11:02
Amazing watching the NFL Network and them broadcasting scrimmages. Cards was taped live, not sure as a HC I would get that excited with everyone having tape to practices.
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Post Date: 07/30/12 14:59
Finally someone mentions the poor defence and Kolb's losses!
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Post Date: 07/30/12 15:14
I know John! If the Cards defense had played as well the first half of the season when Kolb was starting, I wonder if there would be any controversy at all?

And I was of the opinion that the Cardinals should probably give Skelton a chance to start in 2011 after he showed promise at the end of the 2010 season instead of signing an unproven QB. But I give the Cards credit for at least stepping up to the plate and swinging for the fences when they signed Kolb. They took their shot and he hasn't been given enough of a chance to prove them right or wrong either way.
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