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Topic: Late draft, question on DA's high ranking of some Qb's
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Post Date: 09/02/12 13:39
First off, glad to be back with you all for another season! Taking it easy with only 1 team this year.



Ran the DA for a 10 team NFL.com league (1pt/20yds, 6pts passing TD for QB's) and wondering about Vick coming in at #10 pick, Newton, P. Manning, & Ryan in early - mid second round.



Mostly curious w/Vick being injury prone whether he should really go that high? It is 6pts/td so can see QB's being valued higher than a 4pt league. Also Rivers is ranked as the 9th QB ahead of Romo and E. Manning - any takes on this and his chances this year?



Also Gronk and Jimmy Graham are ranked 11 and 12th - I take it they're that high given their productivity and essentially being WR's?



Last question - we can flex a RB/WR/TE/QB. Should my draft strategy be any different? I remember a discussion last year but not exact details about flexing a QB vs another position...



Thanks for your thoughts and if anyone saw any rankings that seemed out of whack, appreciate the input!
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10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com scoring: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/20yds passing, 6pts/td
QB: Dalton, McCown, Cutler
RB: Jennings, Stacy, L. Bell, Tate, Ridley, Todman
WR: A. Johnson, D. Thomas, J. Nelson, Garcon
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Suisham, DEF: CAR, STL

Team Katie Bug
10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com std: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 6pts/td, 1pt/25yds passing, 4pts/td
QB: Stafford, Rivers, Foles
RB: Mccoy, Forte, Lacy, L. Bell
WR: K. Allen, Cooper, Edelman
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Crosby, DEF: KC, CAR
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CajunBadger_70115
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Post Date: 09/02/12 13:41
Oh and not sure how relevant, but it is 10 team, non-ppr.
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10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com scoring: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/20yds passing, 6pts/td
QB: Dalton, McCown, Cutler
RB: Jennings, Stacy, L. Bell, Tate, Ridley, Todman
WR: A. Johnson, D. Thomas, J. Nelson, Garcon
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Suisham, DEF: CAR, STL

Team Katie Bug
10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com std: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 6pts/td, 1pt/25yds passing, 4pts/td
QB: Stafford, Rivers, Foles
RB: Mccoy, Forte, Lacy, L. Bell
WR: K. Allen, Cooper, Edelman
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Crosby, DEF: KC, CAR
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only1putt_34218
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Post Date: 09/02/12 14:00
If you can flex a QB, that moves the QB's into the top draft positions and that is why they are all rated in the early rounds. Grab the best 2 QB's yu can get as soon as you can get them. A QB will almost always score more points than any other position.
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QB - Cutler,Cousins Fitzpatrick
WR - Dez, Boykin, Keenan Allen
RB - Charles, Sproles, Vereen, Dennis Johnson
TE - Witten, Pitta
Def - Browns, Rams
K - Prater

Start 1-QB, 2-WR, 2-RB, 1-TE, 1-WR/RB/TE, 1-K, 1-D

12 Team PPR League 0.25 pts/completion 1 pt/rec 1 pt 10 yds rushing & receiving 6 pts TD, 1 pt 25 yds/ passing 4 pts passing TD, -2 fumble, -2 int
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Post Date: 09/02/12 14:52
If you can flex a QB, then start 2 QBs, it would be a no brainer if you can get two GOOD quarterbacks. I don't think I would mess with Vick this year, would rather take a chance on Newton. As for Rivers, offensively he put up good numbers last year (4600 yards, 27 TDs) but it was the INTs that killed him. I think he rebounds just fine this year, thanks to Floyd and Gates being healthy.

As for the TEs, I have seen Graham (in 3 drafts) go no lower than mid second and Gronky early 3rd. I just could not draft that position that high when there are RBs to be had that could potentially put up more points. Here is a quick piece I wrote on a 2 QB Strategy. Good luck!
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Welcome back by the way...
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Post Date: 09/02/12 15:01
Is Vick really worth a #10 pick? I'm considering flip-flopping Newton (rated #13) or Ryan (#14) with Vick - thinking playing it safer. If drafting 9th or 10th, should I consider best 2 qb's? I'd think better dropping down a bit and choosing Forte, McFadden, Murray, or F. Jackson at RB or A. Johnson, Fitz, or J. Jones at WR for my 2nd pick.



I'd be using a mix with old logic and take a top QB and then wait until round 4 or later for a mid-range QB (unless they're flying off the shelf early). Just feel I'll be overly weak at RB & WR if take two QB's straight off (and maybe I'm misunderstanding your thought of taking the best 2 QB's)...



Thanks!



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10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com scoring: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/20yds passing, 6pts/td
QB: Dalton, McCown, Cutler
RB: Jennings, Stacy, L. Bell, Tate, Ridley, Todman
WR: A. Johnson, D. Thomas, J. Nelson, Garcon
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Suisham, DEF: CAR, STL

Team Katie Bug
10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com std: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 6pts/td, 1pt/25yds passing, 4pts/td
QB: Stafford, Rivers, Foles
RB: Mccoy, Forte, Lacy, L. Bell
WR: K. Allen, Cooper, Edelman
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Crosby, DEF: KC, CAR
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Post Date: 09/02/12 15:20
In most leagues where you can start 2 QB's the first two rounds find most of the good QB's drafted and then you start the run on top RB's and WR's. A top tier QB will avg mid 20's in my scoring system and a WR and RB will avg mid teens. About a 10 point delta, so getting 2 good QB's is almost mandatory to being competitive in the league. If you find that by your pick in the 2nd round all the top 12-15 QB's are gone, then a top RB would be the choice in my opinion. Being able to flex a QB skews all of the draft logic.
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QB - Cutler,Cousins Fitzpatrick
WR - Dez, Boykin, Keenan Allen
RB - Charles, Sproles, Vereen, Dennis Johnson
TE - Witten, Pitta
Def - Browns, Rams
K - Prater

Start 1-QB, 2-WR, 2-RB, 1-TE, 1-WR/RB/TE, 1-K, 1-D

12 Team PPR League 0.25 pts/completion 1 pt/rec 1 pt 10 yds rushing & receiving 6 pts TD, 1 pt 25 yds/ passing 4 pts passing TD, -2 fumble, -2 int
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Post Date: 09/02/12 15:24
Thanks for the link & the welcome back - ditto! If reading right, sounds like QB/QB is the way to go. If drafting slot 1-6, could consider a top RB (would think if Rodgers, Brees, & Brady are gone) and wait until round 2 for a QB.



Do wonder about the quality left if take a RB first (again assuming Rodgers, Brees, & Brady are already taken) and then picking my first QB around the 15th pick. I suppose can count on some still drafting old way and taking RB's & Wr's in 1st and/or 2nd rounds so decent quality left...



Do correct me if I'm reading or thinking wrong!!



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10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com scoring: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/20yds passing, 6pts/td
QB: Dalton, McCown, Cutler
RB: Jennings, Stacy, L. Bell, Tate, Ridley, Todman
WR: A. Johnson, D. Thomas, J. Nelson, Garcon
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Suisham, DEF: CAR, STL

Team Katie Bug
10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com std: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 6pts/td, 1pt/25yds passing, 4pts/td
QB: Stafford, Rivers, Foles
RB: Mccoy, Forte, Lacy, L. Bell
WR: K. Allen, Cooper, Edelman
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Crosby, DEF: KC, CAR
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Post Date: 09/02/12 15:31
Think I'm we're writing at the same time! Ok - so yes, QB/QB unless looking at top 15 or so QB's are already gone (would think doubtful with this league).



I do wonder - should I rerun the DA using 2 starting QB's rather than 1 QB min and max of 2? That should make it more accurate with flexing a QB...



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10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com scoring: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/20yds passing, 6pts/td
QB: Dalton, McCown, Cutler
RB: Jennings, Stacy, L. Bell, Tate, Ridley, Todman
WR: A. Johnson, D. Thomas, J. Nelson, Garcon
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Suisham, DEF: CAR, STL

Team Katie Bug
10 team, non-ppr, NFL.com std: 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 6pts/td, 1pt/25yds passing, 4pts/td
QB: Stafford, Rivers, Foles
RB: Mccoy, Forte, Lacy, L. Bell
WR: K. Allen, Cooper, Edelman
TE: Pitta, Fleener K: Crosby, DEF: KC, CAR
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Post Date: 09/02/12 15:44
Assumed you had already done that, but if not, you should. If I had a choice between Foster and Big Ben, I'd go with Foster BUT what does that mean for your second QB starter, probably a Luck, Locker, Wilson, or maybe even a Fitzpatrick. You can see if you have a Brady - Rivers combo at QB and can start both what that does to your potential.

You don't say how many RB's, WR's, and TE's that are required starters. That has an impact on your draft strategy just like the QB flex play.
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QB - Cutler,Cousins Fitzpatrick
WR - Dez, Boykin, Keenan Allen
RB - Charles, Sproles, Vereen, Dennis Johnson
TE - Witten, Pitta
Def - Browns, Rams
K - Prater

Start 1-QB, 2-WR, 2-RB, 1-TE, 1-WR/RB/TE, 1-K, 1-D

12 Team PPR League 0.25 pts/completion 1 pt/rec 1 pt 10 yds rushing & receiving 6 pts TD, 1 pt 25 yds/ passing 4 pts passing TD, -2 fumble, -2 int
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